Month: October 2016

It would seem to me that once you start breaking directs underneath you

You actually start to LOSE income, since the percentage paid to you is less than when the business volume of those people was flowing through you. I remember posing that question to one of my upline once. I don’t remember the exact answer he gave me, but I know it didn’t make sense. Now that I understand the flow of tool money, it all makes sense. What does it matter if an Emerald or Diamond’s Quixtar bonus money drops, as long as they’re making a mint off the ol’ tool trade, right?

BTW, I wonder if Don Storms will continue to rake in the tool bucks now that Quixtar has all but given him the heave-ho..


Quixtar rules of conduct

“Rules? We don’t need no stinkin’ rules!” say $100 in sales to members/clients is sufficient to qualify for any PV bonuses. There you have it. Sell $100 and you’re a bonified business builder IBO. Problems with that? That $100 at ‘suggested retail’ price would equate to just 89Bv according to Quixtar IBO plan. At the top 25% performance bonus that’s about $23 in bonus for those sales outside the business opportunity. ( 12monthsx$23=$276 annual bonus( + ( 20%x$100x12months=$240 annual gross retail profit) = $516 Gross income to cover typical IBO overhead per year.

Yes, Virginia, the pyramid IS negative.

The System motivationals make the pyramid REALLY negative.

How so? Typical Diamond System overhead runs in the $100s of dollars a month + borrow money online for the IBOs on System motivational junk.

Why would Rich Devos believe a 20% of gross sales as an appropriate level of BSM consumption per IBO? Top pv bonus is just 25%, and shipping charges average 5-7% per order. Following Devos suggestions would leave 99% of IBOs with NO profit.

Dateline, Dateline, wherfore art thou, Dateline?


Here’s my opinion, as a “resident IBO” on this board:

Quixtar has the potential to earn you some extra cash. For most people it amounts to “fun money” – a movie here, a CD there….. ironically, if you look around a bit, you’ll even find people who might want to be a retail customer of yours if you give them a break on the retail price.

The chances of you “finding your dream”, “retiring”, blah blah blah are VERY slim – go to Vegas or buy lottery tickets; they’re faster.

If you are part of a “motivational organization” or “system” – then you are indeed looking at a money pit unless you have the gumption to say NO when your expenses exceed what you wish to be your profits. There will be HUGE pressure put upon you to “spend now to build your future”. You will probably be shunned by your upline.

I ran the family distributorship for years – it’s literally “the top of the heap” – the oldest and largest distributorship in the world, outside of JA-RI (Rich and Jay’s). I was given the opportunity to buy it recently – and on terms that anyone on this board could have afforded; and I didn’t want it. No way – no how!

I’m pretty sure Quixtar is the largest MLM, but any of them that have these “training fees” “motivational tools” “functions” etc are going to chew through your wallet in the same manner. You can find all the motivation you can stand at your local library for free.

Best wishes!


00pv/250bv/$300 IBO cost (includes shipping/tax)

The 3% IBO gets a $7.50 check. How much did they invest into system tools and function tickets? Did they sign up downlines? How much did they group invest into system tools and function tickets that month? This 3% group shares just $7.50 in gross income that month.

The 250bv generates just $87.50 (250bvx35%) in gross income for the entire organization. This includes performance bonus, ruby bonuses, Leadership bonus, profit sharing, Emerald, Diamond, and EDC bonuses, and Q12. What % of IBOs are at the 15% bonus? The 6-4-2 IBO plan shows 98% of IBOs below 15% bonus, meaning 60% of available gross income goes to the 2% of IBOs at 15%+ bonus levels. The average system IBO at the major functions makes less than the income average claimed in the IBO plan ($115 for ‘active’ IBOs–66% ‘active’).

Many system IBOs have posted their average system expenses and these expenses are not much more or less than the $262.50 gross income generated by each 300pv in sales to the IBOs and their members/clients.

What is missing from these equations? Retail sales to end-consumers.

The IBOs on the systems generate most (80-95%+) of Quixtar sales thru self consumption of the PV, but are conditioned to focus their efforts on recruiting (registering) more IBOs and promoting the system to these new recruits, in addition to the concept of ‘buy from your own store’. IBOs below the 25% bonus are considered B2B (business to business) customers of their uplines’ IBOs; more importantly, these IBOs below 25% bonus are the end-users of the uplines’ system of tools and function tickets.

The IBOs are conditioned to buy tools and function tickets and find more IBOs to buy more tools and function tickets.

IBOs are taught to retail. Unfortunately, the IBOs are retailing the system tools and function tickets and participating in NONE of the profits fromm these sales. It’s called ‘legal fiction’.

SPAN SYSTEM PLATINUMS ARE NEGATIVE.

I encourage every IBO to replace ‘tool’, ‘system’, and ‘function’ references on the tools and in the speeches to ‘soap’.

Focus on promoting and selling the ‘soap’, not the ‘hope’.

Enjoy paying your 1000% margin on tools and function tickets, suckers.


See, this is where the problem lies :)

My Grampa was only an Emerald – the REALLY big checks go to our downline. And we never got any of that “system” money because we weren’t in one. We were sort of the “bastard child” of Amway…. and I personally am just a distributor under my Grampa (but ran the warehouse) – my whopping big bonus checks barely cover the cost of renewal every year 🙂

Fortunately, my husband has a real, honest-to-goodness 8 to 5 job; and keeps a lovely roof over our heads 🙂 He would also remind me, when I was pounding my head on the desk over some crazy thing that Amway would do – that Amway is not much different than any other big corporation, since he experiences the same feelings with the huge corporation he’s with…..

Here’s “my” acronym: GINAD – glad I’m not a diamond 🙂


Do you mean Quixtar itself is going down, out of service – delete?

No more products, no more Amway? No more?

Reason I ask is I interviewed an Amway/Quixtar IBO about two weeks ago. He was rather proud of his accomplishments in the business. On Thursday, I made him a job offer in Sales. He grabbed it pretty quick.
http://www.amway.com/
It just seemed odd.