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Little background–hubby and I are currently Q-IBO’s. But we have become very discouraged and not done anything with the business since the first of the year. We really became disallusioned with the broadcast with Bo Short whom we really think has some integrity. We were told from the start that as you grew to a higher pin there was money in the tools, we just didn’t realize that it was such a racket. We were also very faithful in attending everything put on by upline for 10 years until we decided that it was just the same thing over & over & over and there wasn’t really anything else we could get from these functions. In defense of the books, I will say we have become better people with more vision because of the things we have read and probably will continue to read. Hope all is well with everyone and welcome comments, even questions.

My friend is signing up and i wanted to know the price

I called the corp and u can become a ibo at a fraction of the price with no product or achieve magazine. My friend of course made fun of my suggestion. The corp said buying the products is encouraged but not required to become a IBO. Even subcribing is encouraged but not required for achieve magazine. Im sure diff lines of sponsorship force their downline to buy the entire kit


There are plenty of people who quit in the first year. In fact, 2/3 do not renew each year! So there is hope. Before they get too brainwashed, give them alternate information. Real facts. Tell them a good business owner is skeptical and puts together a business plan, with profit and expense projections. Go to the photos section of this club. We have a copy of a page that was a tear out to show prospects. It showed average GROSS income for Q-12 and above. A Diamond earns about $135K gross. I’ve done that NET most years since 1993, as a pediatrician, though it’s a lot less after taxes. More important is the fine print that has been magnified for better viewing. It demonstrates that less than 0.2% make Q-12. Given that the average Platinum lost $918 per year after all those system expenses, in a study done by the Wisconsin State Attorney General in 1982 (and nothing has changed for the better!) they are almost certain to lose money.

Ruth’s book is a huge resource–she has a chapter devoted to her Diamond’s income and expense record, which demonstrates that a Diamond’s lifestyle comes from the tools business and not the Amway/Quixtar business. The big Diamonds lie when they show their planes and their private islands. Another resource that I like the best are the multiple lawsuits of the Diamonds suing Diamonds over the tools business. These suits have court documents where it is stated that the income is really from the tape, book, and seminar business, and that the Quixtar business is a front for the Diamond’s real business, which is selling as many tapes and seminar tickets as possible. The transcripts for these suits are easy to find at:

On that website is a list of Diamonds and Emeralds who quit the business, and who had to go back to work!!!

When my wife and I were prospected into Amway

a friend of ours tried to get us to see the mistake we were making. He gave us a binder full of articles and price comparisons, including an excerpt from Paul Butterfield’s book, “Amway: The Cult Of Free Enterprise.”

None of that worked. We were being manipulated by an expertly devised system that would use our friend to get us involved.

Telling someone that he/she is wrong about MLM is a tactic that is easily dismissed and will probably backfire.

I wish I could enlarge that sentence onto a billboard:

**Telling someone that he/she is wrong about MLM is a tactic that is easily dismissed and will probably backfire.**

The only method I’ve found to intervene that has any realistic hope of working is to ask questions. Learn as much as you can about MLM and about the particular company, and then ask “I don’t understand…”-type questions. If you can engage their critical thinking skills, you might have a chance. If you simply appeal to their emotions, you lose.

You can’t tell them they’re wrong; they have to find that out for themselves. They want to believe they made the right choice by getting involved, and they want to trust the people who recruited them. So you are fighting a battle of trust. And you don’t have the experience against their recruiting systems to win.

So the only path available to you is to get THEM thinking. “How long do they say it will take to get to the first achievement level? What happens if you don’t get there by the proscribed date? Do they just tell you to keep on going, even if you are losing money? All businesses (that are really businesses) have a ‘drop dead’ date. Were you encouraged to set one?”

“What about training? On my job, I’ve been given all the training I need at the company’s expense? I don’t understand why they have to have so much training, at YOUR expense.”

“Did the leaders claim that they don’t make any money unless YOU make money? What about all those training materials? Do they disclose how much profit they make from that? Or do they deny making anything?”

I hope you can see by now that these are the kinds of questions to which they may offer snap answers, but they’ll end up thinking about them more deeply in their own time.

Then all you can do is hope, and maybe pray.

Keep reading. Keep learning. Don’t give up on them. And most important of all, be there for them when they discover the truth about MLM and abandon it. Don’t criticize them for ignoring you. Don’t tell them “I told you so.” Just be grateful when they come out of it.
They’re going to need love and support in order to come to terms with what is happening to them. You can offer that, if you don’t burn the bridge.